Homosexual Arguments Versus The Bible 0113

Homosexual arguments vs the bible

psalm 91

I’ve spent a month debating homosexuality with people. What an experience. What a vile group of opinionated, subjective, misdirected , self-righteous and hateful people. At least 3 wanted to kill someone. Many who considered themselves christians were taught that the biblical view isn’t how God views homosexuality and that hating sin or judging people is ungodly. Many were offensive and foul-mouthed. I feel like i have a clearer understanding of what eternity in hell apart from the love of God would be like.

Here is a summary of the type of arguments I heard. I will address each logically and biblically.

post modern
“There are no absolutes. There is no objective truth. If you don’t like what your church says, find a nicer kinder one . What I believe is truth for me. If it works for you , its ok with me.
As long as its consensual , its ok . Anything goes. No harm, no foul.”

TRUTH : The bible is truth. God exists. Homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of God. Homosexuality is an abomination. Truth is objective and absolute. Every cult and religion denies the inerrancy and truth of the bible. This includes Orthodox. Roman Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah Witnesses, and Free Grace or Seeker friendly cults of protestant christianity. The Bible is inerrant and sufficient. It curses (gal 1:8) everyone who adds, subtracts, or changes the biblical Gospel it contains. It warns us of false teachers, leaders, and followers. It condemns unbiblical traditions. It claims that God alone, chooses who will be saved and justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies those He saves. Those saved will be sons of God reflecting to image of God to a lost world. The saved accept God’s judgments and the unsaved judge God’s judgments. Those who judge God will be judged by God unless their spirit is regenerated by God , enabling them to repent and be saved before they die.

Understanding these absolute and unchanging biblical truths simplifies the debate into 2 groups: redeemed and the lost .

“For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.” (II Peter 2:18, 19 NKJV)

“Its just sin. Jesus died to forgive our sin. Everybody sins, right? I said the sinners prayer, i believe Jesus died for my sin, so party on! God doesn’t hate homosexuality. You must love people by accepting their sin.”

TRUTH : Jesus removed our sin when he died on the cross. He didn’t just ignored our sin. If you are in christ, you will still be imperfect and not reach God’s standard, but you will accept God’s judgments as your own and repent and seek forgiveness when you do. Not everyone who says lord lord are truly saved. Only those who are born again with God’ indwelling Holy Spirit. They will hate their sin and accept God’s view. God ‘s law will be written on their hearts. The love of God will flow through them. Love is to care for the sinner without accepting the sin. Those who love God hate all sin which separates them from fellowship with God. Compassion requires helping people separate from the sin that hurts them and keeps them apart from God.

“Some are born homosexual. They can’t change who they are. Its exactly like being black or female. Whose to say its wrong. We have evolved.”

TRUTH : The biblical genesis account is true. Evolution is a lie. Man was designed good. Adam and Eve sinned and caused separation from God. We are descendants of Adam and are born with original sin, a fallen nature, and physical, spiritual, emotional, and psychological flaws. Homosexuality is depravity and fruit of a debased heart. Being a slave to this particular sin may seem impossible to escape. However, all things are are possible with God and bad company will corrupt good character. Gender and our physical characteristics are part of God’s design and good. There is just 1 race (human) designed with the capacity for much diversity. These features are part of God’s design and aren’t sin. Equating black skin color or female gender to homosexuality is unfounded and illogical. Passing laws that prevents unbiblical sexism or racism or promote human rights is just. Doing so to Promote sinful behavior is evil.

“It just an alternative lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks.
Homosexuals act just like heterosexual ( ie are monogamous). Heterosexuals are as promiscuous as homosexuals ( sports athletes and rock stars). Homosexual support groups help cope with stigma. ”

TRUTH : Our laws are codified morality. Our constitution is based on biblical precepts and principles. A Godly people have self control needing few laws. Freedom and liberty to live as our conscious leads free from harm caused by others is difficult to maintain and regulate. Sinful behavior is corrupting. Righteousness comes from God and is difficult to impose on ungodly people.This necessitates some laws that limits some freedoms when exercise of them can harm others.

Homosexuality may be an alternative lifestyle and a vile one based on lust NOT Love, but it is sin that can harm others and erode or weaken the fabric of society. Some things done behind closed doors or happens in Vegas can adversely affect others. Normalizing sinful behavior does harm others. Homosexual support groups are used to corrupt the weak and recruit sin.

A Male married to a female is far more likely to be monogamous for life. Single men are more promiscuous and have shorter lifespans. Homosexual or bisexuals men are far more promiscuous and have much shorter lives, imperically speaking.The lifespan for lesbians are much closer to homosexual men than to heterosexual females, suggesting similar promiscuity as other homosexuals.

Here is the study (family research center, colorado springs co):
About 15 percent of the obituaries were of people who did not die of AIDS. The life expectancy of such homosexual men was age 42 and nine percent lived to be 65. This compares with 75 percent of “straight”, married males who reach age 65. The lesbian life expectancy was age 46 and 24 percent reached the age of 65 compared with 85 percent of married women. Subtract three years of longevity for AIDS sufferers. The male and female life expectancy of AIDS sufferers is 39 and 43 years, respectively. Of homosexual males with AIDS only one percent reached age 65, as compared to 73 percent of married males. Nine percent of AIDS-stricken lesbians reached age 65 as compared to 85 percent of married females.

“Be kind and don’t make them feel guilty. They can’t change. ”

TRUTH : Stigmas against sinful behavior is one way society maintains cultural standards. The opposite is true. The more homosexuality is normalized, the more it occurs. It is sin, it is learned, it is habit forming. It is shameful whether society condemns it or not.

“God is love . If two people love each other, it doesn’t matter what sex you are. No distinction between love and lust, sex, or behavior. Since God made them that way, He wouldn’t be fair to send them to hell. ”

TRUTH : Most people have trouble differentiating love from lust and love and sex. Biblically love is an intellectual decision to care for others as much or more than you care for your self. Love is selfless. Love isn’t sexual. Love is godly. Lust is selfish and uncaring. Lust is sexual. Lust is idolatry. Sex in a monogamous married for life relationship is intimacy that strengthens familial identity and increases emotional stability and promotes a longer healthier life. Sex outside of a monogamous married for life is selfish, unloving, emotionally destabilizing and life threatening and life shortening. Christians who marry also have the blessings of God that further strengthen the joy of marriage. Homosexual unions are unchristian and cursed out of willful disobedience to God’s will.
God didn’t design anyone to be homosexual. It is evidence of sinful separation from God and lawless. The wages of sin is death. Hell is the eternal destination of everyone who seeks existence apart from God. It is our choice, it was Adam and Eve’s choice. And upon physical death, it is irreversible. God choses to save some, regenerates them from spiritual death, and restored the relationship like He had with Adam and Eve. Free from the punishment, power, and (at our physical death ) presence of sin.

“Only religious bigots and idiots want to judge everyone. Culture determines ethics”

TRUTH : No. God alone determines what is good. Obeying God’s will and standard isn’t bigotry or stupidity. It is love, integrity, and health. Atheism is rebellion against God. If God didn’t exist, there would be no need to get so angry and vile. But they know He exists and like Satan will say and do anything to fight His objective authority and deceive others. Atheist claim compassion, but there is no love there. There is hate .

In a sense, they are blinded by rebellion, enslaved to their sin and fallen will. Only an act of God will save them (or any of us). And God saves many every day from their sin.

bible antiquated
“2000+ yrs old. Its a different world . Old domineering white guys used it to control the uneducated”

TRUTH: The Bible is the owners manual for the human soul. Nothing has changed since the fall of Adam and Eve. The Devil uses the same 3 temptation ( lust of the eyes, hunger of the stomach and pride of life) to lead us away from God as he used on Eve and tried to use on Jesus. Show me any other book that pegs the human condition and motivations and depravity better or even comes close to what the Bible does. Only a spiritually blind slave to sin or fool would say it was outdated. Psych books from last year are outdated. But God’s word is timeless and forever relevant. People still do things and feel things and think things for the same reasons they did 2000 years ago. God is the answer.

The Bible is mistranslated.
“All translations since 1950 are corrupt. Sodom lacked hospitality. Prostitution ( not homosexuality) was condemned. ”

TRUTH : The authority of the Bible is attacked by false teachers claiming mistranslation. Most agree that the Bible is inspired, accurate, and inerrant in its original language correctly translated. The King James Version (kjv) was the english Bible used from the 1600s through The 1950s. The kjv doesn’t use the word “homosexuality”, but clearly describes the behavior that prevents those who practice it from the kingdom of heaven.
Other passages are ignored by claiming that sexuality (homosexual or other) is god’s gift and that condemning it and sending anyone to hell because of practicing it is unfair and isn’t what God meant. To claim this is deception. Any sin can be justified if homosexuality can be. If your church makes this claim and you love Jesus, find a new church.

“useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.” (I Timothy 6:5 NKJV)

There are so many in modern churches that claim in the name of love to accept sin. As though God excuses sin without removing or judging it . This just isn’t biblical.
Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” (I Corinthians 15:33 NKJV)
Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. (II Corinthians 7:1 NKJV)

“Everybody gets to heaven. God doesn’t hate homosexuality. ”

TRUTH : The Bible clearly teaches that all are judged by God and some (but not all ) will be saved. God, Jesus, and the Bible teach the same thing and are trustworthy.

“that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, “(Ephesians 4:22, 23 NKJV)

Sin in thought, word, and deed.

“If you just think homosexual thoughts but don’t act on it, you can be a Christian in the kingdom of God. ”

TRUTH : “But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. “(Matthew 5:28 NKJV)

Lust is only in the thoughts. Lust is a sin. You have control over what you think. You see a woman. You think about her beauty. No sin yet.

When you undress her with your eyes and mind and imagine sexual contact and you are not married to her, then you are sinning in lust.

When i watch movies and the movie forces lust images on me, I change the channel or look away. I am compelled to by the holy spirit. Lust is sin and I hate sin. And so does any person who is actually saved. Those who are susceptible to the sin of homosexuality can police their own mind in prayerful obedience to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

In conclusion, homosexuality is sin. If you are unable to resist lust, pray, Repent, and seek God’s forgiveness. The godly will not lead you to lust. Choose only godly friends. If you are saved, God will help you escape sin. Obey him. If you seek sin without guilt, you are probably not saved. Repent. Pray for salvation. Study God’s word.

‘And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’ (Acts 2:21 NKJV)

Google” Ravi Zacarias homosexuality” and “John Macarthur homosexuality” for excellent sermons on this subject. Macarthur includes 2 powerful testimonies.

God bless you



~ by az4christ on January 6, 2013.

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